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He lives at the old Elliott ranch. He doesn't own it. He just rents it. They sold their ranch at Eagleville and they bought a ranch in Idaho, and then they sold that and Jackie and Jane Jackie is a boy. Jack, he's a fine cattleman. One of the best in the West. He's running his own ranch.

Jane's husband was killed by an escaped convict last year. Drove up in front of his own house and the guy comes out with his rifle and shoots him and kills him. Down below town. But Butch and Marie are building a place in Palm Springs and they're going to spend most of their time down there. At the time of the investigation of Samish, which was brought on by Lester Velie's article in Collier's in , you were still city manager and Warren was still governor and some of that investigation took place I think, as part of the operations of the county of Sacramento.

Before the article in Collier's --the district attorney in Sacramento was a fellow named Otis Babcock who was very politically ambitious and wanted to run for governor. And there were accusations made about members of the legislature receiving fees for special business, fish and so forth--sardines--and he brought it before the grand jury. Now, during that period and the only time in the history of California, the grand jury hearings were open to the public and were broadcast.

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One was William Hornblower from San Francisco, who was a good friend of mine. And I used to go over there with him. Now, this was earlier than the Collier's article. And Samish was investigated then. He and Merriam had a falling out, and there was quite a bitterness between Samish and Governor Merriam. And he testified in open hearing about Samish's business and so forth. Merriam was governor at the time that they started this. Then Olson was elected in , and at the end of his term, the dictaphone business broke.

It was during the time they upset the speakership in the state assembly. And both those fellows are very close friends of mine. Paul Peek, who was the speaker, and Gordon Garland, they were very close personal friends of mine. Both of them. But I'm sure I wasn't city manager then. I guess not, I don't remember. But I was around the legislature for a long time. I'd like to ask you something about that delegation, the one in which several books have been written that infer that the delegation was actually split between Warren and Eisenhower, although the delegation's vote was cast for Warren, Nixon had Warren and Nixon?

Well, there were some people from Southern California--it wasn't a delegation that was under the thumb of Warren at all. And I'm sure that went on. Now, during the convention my job was in the headquarters with the governor. And I stayed around there and met people and took them in to meet him and so forth. I stayed with the girls a good bit. Honey Bear and Virginia and Dorothy were all there. I'd gone up to Detroit and gotten a new automobile and we went back and forth to the convention together a good bit, Mrs.

Warren and I. I have so many questions to ask you about the delegation, and maybe you know the answers to some of them. Like, I understand that, at least in Southern California, there was a real effort made to get a delegation that could come through and place Warren in a very strong position for the nomination, in case there was a tie or a dead-lock between Taft and Eisenhower; and therfore they wanted a delegation that would be really loyal to Warren.

And yet I think one of the persons who was on the delegation and maybe had a hand in selecting it was Bernie Brennan, who had been Nixon's campaign manager two years before. I don't understand why someone who had been Nixon's campaign manager was helping select delegates who were supposed to be loyal to Warren. Well, Brennan was a leading Republican. I don't think the delegation could be said to be not loyal to Warren. I just feel this: if there appeared that he had a good chance of getting the nomination, I think they would have been rather unanimous for him. Now, certainly at the convention, Warren went out of his way three or four mornings in a row we were there a day or two days ahead of time --he invited the leading candidates over to have breakfast with our delegation.

Taft impressed me tremendously. I thought he was a cold fish until I saw him in person and he was a very warm, decent man, I thought. Yes, Stassen was a minor candidate at that time.

These were the three that he invited over for breakfast and he introduced them to everybody. For the delegation to get acquainted with other candidates, although it was a Warren delegation I don't think he was too disappointed. I don't think the governor felt that he was going to be nominated. Now, on the train. I went back with him on the train to Chicago, and the family lived in the back car, private car. He would send me up front every day to invite people back to launch and to dinner.

So, I was at most of them and there was no bickering. They were a fine bunch of people. Oh, independent of course. There was from here--Phil Wilkins, he was a delegate; Butch Powers; and then there were eight or ten of us from here that were close friends. Over the years, we'd been close friends, and we kind of stuck together, watched things, did what we could. Warren was popular, no question about that at the convention.

But national conventions are awful rough, awful rough. And I'm sure of this, that Warren was personally fond of Eisenhower. I'm sure they were fond of one another and during the campaign became very close. They may have, but not to a great degree. Eisenhower was a very gracious man. And then during the campaign, I know that Eisenhower was impressed by a joint appearance that he and Warren made during the campaign.

They re-ran it two or three times; it was most effective. I think it was done in Chicago. He liked the program and they repeated it. At that time he may have made up his mind about Warren, though I don't know. I think that. There's another question about Nixon's role in this. There's a story which has been printed many times about Nixon boarding the train in Denver and trying to woo delegates away from Warren and over to Eisenhower at that time. Now, the other fellow in our group was Tom Kuchel. Tom has been a friend of mine for many years and of these other fellows also. And Tom was most loyal, of course, to Warren.

Tom as an able, smart fellow. We didn't discuss anything of Nixon trying to sabotage the delegation. I think we all knew that he was ambitious, like any fellow in those jobs. I've never met the man, I don't know him. I met him when he was a congressman once, in Warren's office. And he's warmed up. I thought he was very cold for a long time. I take a drink with a friend quite often, and I don't think he's that kind of a fellow.

I'm not criticizing him for it. I would have no axe to grind for Nixon at all, but I don't think he did anything. They tried to play it up, but I didn't ever hear it on the train. And I remember him on the train. It was a happy delegation. We had a lot of fun. Bill Knowland, I think was the chairman of that delegation. Did he remain quite loyal to Warren? Oh yes, certainly. Didn't Warren appoint him United States senator?

I've known Bill Knowland a long, long time. Yeah, I know all those things. Senator Knowland's father and mother and stepmother were very close friends of the Warrens and they were good friends of mine. Nice people. Bill, I knew him when he was an assemblyman in Sacramento, before he became a state senator, and he had the world on his shoulders. He's a smart, very tough guy, all right. He'd never been an intimate friend of mine, although I liked the man; I think he did all right.

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I'll be talking to Senator Knowland pretty soon. Someone mentioned to me that when he was in the legislature, he was a member of a more liberal bloc. Has he evolved through the years? The liberal bloc, I don't remember. In the senate in those days, Democrats and Republicans, you couldn't tell the difference because they ran on cross-filing.

And they all became close because of their newness and youth and so forth. Bill came in, I think, maybe four years later, and I think was considered part of that group. I don't know. The word liberal in those days, you didn't think about it. Perhaps connected to some reform, like the fact that Knowland helped establish the state income tax? Well, that may well be. Oh, he was a good legislator. He's an able fellow and does his homework. He knows what he's doing. During the convention, there was quite a lot of forming and re-forming of support groups for these two major candidates.

I have been told that Taft did send a man to talk to Knowland about possibly considering running as his vice president. And the other question on that convention is about the very crucial thing that happened in the seating of the delegates, when the Texas delegation was contested.

One delegation was for Taft and another one would have gone for Eisenhower, and the way the California people would vote on this was very important. There was no dissension as I recall. I forget which way we voted, but there was no Well, there was no dissension in the delegation that I recall at all. We were kind of proud of our members on the committee, I think Evelle Younger's wife was on that--now Attorney General Younger. She seconded the nomination of Warren at the convention and made a great appearance.

A very fine looking lady and smart. I think she was our California's representative on the committee and maybe Bill was too--I don't remember. But I do recall that whatever the way the delegation voted, there was a pretty strong feeling in that direction. There was, to my recollection, no deals made, whether it was one delegation--it was a matter of principle that they--isn't that kind of the consensus of what you've heard?

Here was, I think, a turning point in this battle between Taft and Eisenhower, and if California could have put its weight for Taft at that point, it would have possibly created a deadlock which would have helped Warren's candidacy. I remember, it's coming back to me a little. They said that as a matter of principle, this is what we ought to do, and if that's the way it works then that's the way it works. That's my recollection of it. I was in on all the conferences. So, as a matter of principle they wanted to back the Eisenhower delegates, but as a matter of the politics of the convention, better for Warren for them to vote for the pro-Taft delegation.

But as a matter of principle on the issue that was to be decided, the seating of somebody or the lot of them or something, they thought that that was right. And I think that whatever the issue was, the way we voted was much more similar to how California operated than maybe other places. I think that was it. The political pressures must have been extremely hot and heavy at that time to create a deadlock. We had an unusual situation. Phil Wilkins a judge now--he's young and I had gone across the street from the headquarters' hotel to a nice saloon, bar, was it the Pump Room?

We had our drink and as we went to leave, Phil reached for his wallet and it was gone. I said, "You're a hick. Somebody's picked your pocket. And he said to the ladies, "Can I buy you a drink? And we said, "Yes. Nice fellow, good fellow. Quite a track man from Stanford.

I don't know whether he's there, but we'd like you to talk to some of the people. What is your name? She's very charming. Anyway, we went over, and Taft wasn't there, but they ushered us into a room, an office room. The man behind the desk was a brother-in-law or some relative of Taft. A very hard-nosed lawyer, who was his campaign manager. And we sat down, the three of us, and he behind the desk. We started talking, and he was pushy, pushy, pushy, trying to get commitments.

I turned around and here's a fellow sitting in the corner in a straight-backed chair with a notebook, taking shorthand. And I said, "What's this? And I said, "You don't do it with me. That's your record. In a case like this I want a record too, if you're going to keep a record. They're rough. They just do most anything to accomplish their end. I can't think of the man's name, but he was a relative of Taft and his campaign manager. Anyway, the next morning Taft came to breakfast with our delegation and the three of us sat together, prepared to be very much against him, because of that.

It wasn't our way of doing business. And Taft just charmed us right off the chairs. He was a very charming guy. And he said, "You've got a great candidate, stay with him. And Eisenhower was great. I remember when the governor introduced me to him, he said, "City manager, I'd sure like to be a city manager. I never forgot that. But, he was very nice. I got a kick out of the convention, but I was very disappointed. I liked Warren very much and I wanted to see him get it if he wanted to be a nominee.

I thought the presidency was a lousy job and I thought that governor was a better job, myself. Warren's a fine man. High principled fellow to the extreme. He was very, very strict in his personal dealings, financial dealings; he would no more invest in some kind of a company that was in any way affected by government controls, building and loan, or anything like that. I don't think he has any amount of money at all. He doesn't need it, he's amply taken care of with retirement and things like that.

But, I know this, he just never made any investments in anything of any kind that would in any way That must have been a sticky wicket for him when his father was murdered and left shares in Kern County Building and Loan. Yes, and he turned it over to his sisters. Yes, I knew that a long time ago. There was no question about it. No question that he thought of ever--we've all had opportunities to do those things. Yes, Tom Kuchel. I call him Kookel. With the umlaut, that makes it "kee-kle.

They wanted us to buy stock at some kind of a price. Well, there was nothing wrong. He was a lawyer. And I told him that no, I wouldn't. And Tom talked to me the next day and said, "Did you talk to so-and-so? I told him I wanted no part of it. I wasn't that hungry, or something, I don't know. That's up to you. But ask Bart what he did. I was very fond of Tom. They made a horrible mistake when they jockeyed him out and nominated somebody else in [in Kuchel's bid for re-election as a U. They did him bad. Tom's sharp. Tom was very well liked in Washington and had prestige as whip; he was very well liked.

I would think that--at that time, Kuchel and John Kennedy were as close as fellows get. Oh, that's right. Not politically. No, no, no. They were just friends, and they were both young fellows and very attractive personalities, and I think they used to go up to New York together a little and have some fun. Well, Tom's doing pretty good now. I saw him at the party last year for Warren's eightieth birthday. You'll get a kick out of this, I think. At that dinner John Daly, who is a good friend of mine Yes, Virginia's husband--told me, "You'll have to say something.

I'm no after dinner speaker or anything. He said, "I'll call on some fellows, then I'll call on you. Well, the first one he called on was Abe Fortas. Well, a big shot. That's his business. The next one was E. Bennett Williams, who will blow you over, you know. The next one was Justice Goldberg. And the next one was a fellow that just died. He was a political commentator for ABC, Lawrence. And then Daly said, "His old friend from Sacramento wants to say a few words.

Well, what do you say after all this great praising of what a judicial mind he was and everything nice? Well, I told them, "I don't know anything about his business as a judge or a lawyer, but I do know about his ability as a judge of baseball. And my experience with him is a little different from you people. We went up to the World Series one time for a series between the Yankees and Brooklyn.

And the Yankees used seven pitchers the first game and five the next game and couldn't get anybody out. They got no pitchin'. What can they do? So, he left. Patrick's Cathedral and see if some priests want to go to the ball game. Wilkins, McDermott and Cavanaugh and the three priests behind us. And the Yankees with no pitchers and no nothing according to the Chief Justice.

And all they do is pitch a perfect ball game. No hits, no runs, no errors, nobody on base. Well, that was all right. I didn't get into the court, I didn't know anything about it. I was sure over my head. It was an elegant party. I see where the Chief Justice was awarded that Brandeis award.

He turned down the prize, which I liked. Oh, he accepted the award, but not the five thousand. They had a thing, he came out and made a little speech. Ben put on a big formal dinner at the Fairmont Hotel for this Brandeis University and it was, I think, a hundred dollars a plate. So, I took young Bart, and we went down to it. The Chief Justice made a little talk, or made the talk of the evening. And I'll never forget it.

Of course, they're all Jewish people, that would be natural, except at our table. That's a fine thing. My son graduated from Santa Clara University.

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I'm familiar with it. Helped them! Swig's put them on their feet. He's raised the money. He's the toughest guy I ever saw to raise money. He puts the finger on everybody and that's it. Swig Hall. A beautiful new hall down there. He's also the financial advisor to the Indians in someplace in the Middle West and has done very well for them. And up in Portland, he bought a beautiful big building and turned it over to a Catholic university over there. Oh, yeah, Ben can get rid of it, and he can make it like nobody else. I'm very fond of Ben. Very fond of him.

But Swig is anything but one particular group. I think he's done more for Santa Clara than any twenty of their alumni. And of course, Warren is not Catholic, but has received more degrees from Catholic schools than any place. I remember when they gave him a degree at Santa Clara, and the next year the football team went to the Sugar Bowl and won and we went down to the homecoming.

They had a big celebration and he sat up on the stage with the football team. That year California had gone to the Rose Bowl and got the pants beat off of them and somebody else from the West. I'd like to have any ancedotes or stories you can tell about your experiences with Warren. Well, some of them are very personal. You say this doesn't come out for a long time? Well, there's one story that I think is very interesting.

I knew that he had a chance of being on the Court and I don't remember. I knew this. I used to listen to the radio quite often, short wave and other police calls. This was '53, early one morning about five o'clock, I woke up and had the news on. And the news came over that the chief justice of the United States had just died. And there was speculation that the dean of the law school at Notre Dame and somebody else were mentioned because there were no Catholics on the Supreme Court. And there was no mention of anybody else. And I thought about it and I was a little concerned. So at five-thirty I called the governor.

And Nina answered the phone and I said, "I'd like to talk to the boss and it's really important. I'll wake him up. I said, "This is what I heard. That the two prominent people named for the position are Catholics and there are no Catholics on the court, and I think there'll be a drive for them. I can see how they could build this up. Who in turn, I'm sure, will get in touch with Cardinal Spellman in New York, who in turn will get in touch with the cardinal in Washington, who is the spokesman for them.

So I got on the phone, got the bishop here, who is a good close friend of mine, Bishop Armstrong, who liked Warren very much. And he got in touch with the cardinal and the cardinal got in touch with Spellman, and by noontime the White House was aware that those men in the church at least, and they were pretty ranking, would look with favor on Warren.

Well, about four or five or six days went by and [Herbert] Brownell flew out to McClellan Field and they met and I don't know what happened. A couple of days went by and at six o'clock in the morning I get a phone call and it's the boss. He says, "Well, we made it. They've been praying for five days. He says, "Don't do anything. It won't be released for another five hours.

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That to me, was one of the funniest--[laughter]. The details of how it went, I'm not too sure on so I won't comment on it. But I knew it and I was afraid that he would just become a member--which would be pretty good, I don't mean that it wouldn't--but when it was the top spot I couldn't contain myself. I took a ride so I wouldn't see anybody. I just didn't want anybody to know what I knew. It was a long five hours. Until I heard it on the radio, I couldn't say anything. And I never told this story publicly, at all.

I thought, it just struck me that it might be just enough weight to say, well, maybe we ought to have a Catholic on there. And it really doesn't make any difference and I guess within a couple of years, they appointed Brennan. Wasn't he Catholic? I don't know whether there were any other Catholics on there, but I couldn't care less. If they do their job, that's all right. Do you know if Governor Warren had wanted specifically the chief justice spot? Did he bargain hard for that?

I don't think he bargained at all. I don't know whether there was ever a thought that he wouldn't be chief justice when the vacancy was there. I don't know that. Oh, no. Whatever their discussion was, I didn't want to know, to tell you the truth. If you know things, most things are apt to leak out. And if you know them, they might suspect you. I don't want to know any more than I have to. Brownell was very nice, I thought. We met him, all of us met him, in New York at the World Series.

They have a brunch before the game up in the headquarters, in the main office of the Yankees. Brownell and Rockefeller and [James] Hagerty were there. And I was very impressed with Brownell; he's smart as hell. Well, Cornelius was an even closer friend. He was the head of labor and a very decent guy and a good friend of Warren's. A good friend. Do you know much about the labor problems of that session of the legislature when both the hot cargo bill and the jurisdictional strike bill went to the governor's desk?

And I think Warren signed the anti-jurisdictional strike bill, and he let pass without his signature the anti-hot cargo boycott bill. I think Neil always felt that he was fairly treated. I know he did. Neil was a good friend of mine and so was his wife, Mrs. She was very religious. Neil was the president of the California State Federation of Labor before he became the secretary, which is the active job.

And a man from San Francisco, Ed Vandeleur, was his predecessor around the legislature. He was the secretary and he was a relative of ours. He was a nice man. Rough, but good man. And I'd known Neil long before he was in the active end of it, when he was just the president.

He was a very, very fine man. Spoke very well, and very limited education. Neil was a lathing laborer. Oh yeah, I know him well. Well, in '48, when this legislation passed, I don't know what effect it had on As I remember it, the hot cargo bill was Senator George Hatfield's bill, and George represented farmers.

I don't really think there was bitterness over it. There was a hell of a fight over it, but there was no real bitterness. They didn't get as bitter in those days as they are now. Workmen's compensation, those kind of things, were the things that labor was most interested in. Hot cargo was a hot one but the majority by far in the legislature were for it. I don't think it was a close vote. It wasn't a close vote in the senate, as I remember. I served on a committee with Neil and Dick Graves and three or four other fellows writing the redevelopment legislation.

And we worked hard for a year on it.


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Oh yeah. We all worked hard on it. And the legislature-- Hatfield and two or three of them had some objections, [Arthur H. But there was no fight. We worked the thing out pretty well, though. It took a long time to draw up that redevelopment act. It made it possible for local governments to acquire property by condemnation to do overall good, if a place were run down and so forth. But there were a lot of safeguards. That's where they've cleared slums and cleared old areas. But there were votes of the people required and votes of the elected officials, and there are a lot of safeguards.

Labor was very helpful in it. We had, I think, seven of us on the committee--somebody from the attorney general's office; half of AFL-CIO the two were separate in those days ; Dick Graves, who was then the head of the League of Cities; oh, and I think the county supervisors' association was represented on it. I wanted to ask you more about the League of Cities because, you being right here in Sacramento, I thought perhaps you worked closely with Dick Graves. I did. I did with Dick and with Bud Carpenter. I didn't go over and appear on bills very often. I don't want you to think I think I was a big shot, but I was probably closer to the state senate than anybody.

Well, you were geographically closer to them than any of the other city managers. Well, that's right. And over the years and for things locally I always felt they were a great help for Sacramento and did whatever I could, either officially or personally. And if the city couldn't put up the money to do things, I did it myself. I see pressure on you from two sides here because there was a trend for the cities and counties to want more of the state surplus money, which was available then. And Warren saying, "No, boys, we're going to keep this in the state treasury.

We're keeping it for a rainy day. Sacramento city's always benefitted tremendously by it. Historically, people don't realize that the city capitol park, all but a piece about two hundred by two hundred feet, was purchased by the citizens of Sacramento and given to the state. This letter is very belated for which I offer you my sincere apologies. The fault is not altogether mine, however, as it was only yesterday that your letter, together with a large packet of similar communications, reached me from the U.

My recent visit to your great country was so hurried and my engagements, day and night, so numerous that I had, at no time, an opportunity to read or to acknowledge the numerous letters directed to me from all parts of the U. I would like to offer you my most sincere thanks for your generous and thoughtful gift.

It was most kind and generous of you to send to us such a beautiful and most interesting souvenir of our visit to your great country. Please be assured that my wife and I are sincerely grateful. With warmest thanks and very best wishes, and trusting that your ideals and wishes for the betterment of your city and its people may, in the years to come, be fully realised, and with sincere wishes for your health, happiness and prosperity.

Bartley W. All the cities and some political subdivisions were interested in it.

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My main interest was in the city of Sacramento and as long as we were protected on certain things, I didn't really worry too much about the rest of the state. The details of the Christmas tree bill escape me now. There were funds available if you had some and we took advantage of it. We got all the law would allow. When did you become Sacramento city manager, and what can you tell us about doing that job? I served from June 1, to July 3, The first few years, of course, as the city manager was new to me, and making a budget was a big job. Keeping the tax rate down was the foremost in everybody's mind and that's what we attempted to do.

We were successful. Our tax rate didn't go up ever. In the eighteen years, it went down, but it never went up. Then this one year I just couldn't make it balance. And there were certain subventions you got from the state; the gas tax, of course, you could only use for certain things, and the in lieu tax and so forth that went into the budget. And I just couldn't make the budget balance without increasing somewhat the tax on property. And [George] Hatfield and Hulse--I saw them most every night--they devised the idea of moving up the date of when you got your subventions, so I'd get it at the right time so I could balance the budget.

A very innocuous bill they put through the legislature, and Sacramento got its money in time for me to balance the budget. So we got over that hump that year and that was it. But they were excellent men. They were very devoted to their jobs and they worked hard at it. Ben Hulse was a great fellow, a fellow who used to love to imbibe a little, and then quit entirely and wouldn't take a drink for the last twenty, twenty-five years of his life.

I'd known him under both conditions and I liked him under both, and I liked him the first way the best. But he was smart. And George [Hatfield] was as smart as they came. Good balance. Good broad fellow. George ran for governor once and didn't make it. He was lieutenant governor, and it just fitted him to be a state senator. He was state senator, and he was the fellow they all looked to.

Republicans, Democrats, they all looked to him. When George said something, they knew he'd given it a lot of thought and George was a brilliant mind. Very, very brilliant. Well, Ollie's a pretty smart guy too, you know. He's no chump. Ollie was one of the first young Democrats to come in. And then Ollie succeeded his father as I recall. Yeah, that's right.


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  • Young Ollie Carter is a very nice fellow. Smart as a whip and a good sense of humor. But he was very fond of Hatfield and there was no particular reason for it politically. I mean, they weren't--Ollie was the chairman of the Democratic Central Committee of the state and he was a leader. He was a great friend. And now they think he's a good federal judge too. Along about the late '40s, I think it was in that '48 election, there was a ballot issue for reapportioning the senate on the basis of one-man-one-vote, as the assembly was apportioned. And I wondered what the city of Sacramento's position was on that ballot issue?

    Well, we apparently were satisfied with what we had. I don't recall any local campaign to change. I can go back quite a long ways on the state senators and they were most effective for Sacramento, and that's the way you judge them, I guess. Senator J. Inman, Senator [Thomas F. Over the years, I think Sacramento built a rather good feeling with the legislators.

    I don't know today because I don't go over there anymore and haven't for a number of years. But the leadership in the senate was always very friendly to Sacramento. How did Sacramento feel about the Southern California delegation? Did they see Los Angeles as a rising threat? Well, of course in the senate there was only one, and frankly, nobody, including his fellow members, thought that Culbert Olson was a great senator. He was not any power in the state legislature as a member of the senate. Bob Kenny, who followed Olson, was liked, but not a tremendous power in there.

    And then let's see, Jack Tenney was the next one. They were liked, of course, but they weren't tremendous powers. In the assembly they had a sizeable delegation. They were split up quite a little. How did this turn out on the water resource bills? I should think that would have been a division between Sacramento and the south.

    There was, but I think that the northern people were very fair about it. I don't think they could have gotten the success they've had to the degree that they have had it in the water solution. They're changing back now. On the gas tax allocation and so forth, they're getting more in the south.

    There was never really the bitterness and the partisan feeling in the legislature until they did away with cross-filing. In those days you could be nominated on both parties at the primary. You could run on both. Maybe we're big enough so it has to be handled through political parties, but I think the old system was excellent. Well, as I understand that in the old system, people lined up more or less according to interests instead of by political parties, so that you did have bitter battles, didn't you, on things like the gas tax where the trucking industry and the oil industry They were bitter, but they didn't line up just to embarrass the administration, or to degrade the Republicans or the Democrats.

    Now, today, I would say seventy per cent of the time, if it makes the administration look bad, the feeling is, well, we ought to go this way. That's correct. Individuals of course, would differ with the governor, whoever the governor was. There was no question about that, and different governors operated differently. I can remember Governor Rolph, in the early thirties, wanted an airplane.

    He got around the state a lot and loved to get around, and he thought the state ought to have an airplane. The bill got through one house and didn't get through the other, and he never forgot those fellows who voted against the airplane. They had a tough time getting their bills signed. This young group that I talked about you said liberals and others , they were all for him getting an airplane.

    And they didn't have any trouble getting any of their bills signed. He had a list of those fellows. As a governor, Warren was most successful. They had confidence in him. He had some excellent men around him. All of his directors of finance were good people. The one that was there the longest was my predecessor as city manager of Sacramento, Jim Dean. And Warren's different departmental directors were excellent people. Of course the highway department handles a tremendous amount of money; it's a strange phenomenon in California that they've never had any scandals for forty years or more.

    They've done a tremendous job with it, certainly with an enormous amount of money. Warren had political people, not in the government, in his campaigns, who were most helpful. Tom Mellon in San Francisco was outstanding--could never afford to take a public job. He was too successful in his own right. A fellow who was making his own way up, very successful and finally he's now taken a job in San Francisco. What is he? It's a top job. Well, I think it's sort of your equivalent in Sacramento.

    Chief administrative officer. And I don't think he can be fired. I think it's for life; I don't recall the charter. Yes, I don't think that they can be moved. He told officers he had an argument with his wife and may have committed an offence. Evidence tendered in court showed blood in Karen's car was a mix of her and Ashley's DNA, and both strains were found on Ashley's t-shirt too. Speaking to reporters outside court on Wednesday, Ms Bartley's best friend Terry Yard and her daughter, Shanice Wright, told reporters no jail sentence would heal their pain.

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